December 21, 2022
Becca Rich - Healing Your Relationship With Time

Becca Rich is a holistic time coach & educator who works with female entrepreneurs to overcome struggles with time management that goes far beyond just using the latest productivity tool or time hack. Becca delves deeper to h...

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Becca Rich is a holistic time coach & educator who works with female entrepreneurs to overcome struggles with time management that goes far beyond just using the latest productivity tool or time hack. Becca delves deeper to heal many of the limiting beliefs and habits that keep us from spending our time well and living a life that is aligned with what we most want.

Becca comes from a family of entrepreneurs who emphasized the importance of hustling and experiencing other cultures through travel. Following her family’s example of hard work, Becca became an engineer and began her career working with a petroleum company. 

After experiencing the negative consequences of overworking, Becca noticed that like her, many other people also struggled with taking care of themselves and prioritizing their own needs and self-care. 

After a few years at her job, Becca felt burned out and discovered cubicle life wasn’t for her, so she and her husband created a plan to leave their careers and become full-time travelers. Always a natural risk-taker, Becca started her first business at the young age of 21 as a Reiki healer and yoga teacher.

Becca focused on her own healing, addressing her limiting beliefs and messages about time that weren’t serving her, and in 2020, she transitioned into her holistic time coaching business to help others do the same.

Becca’s holistic approach to time coaching is refreshing and unique compared to the advice and approaches we normally hear about. Becca works with clients to help them focus on the vision they have for their lives and how they want to spend their time, and she also certifies other coaches who want to do the same type of work. 

If you ever find yourself saying “I never have enough time,” this episode is for you. Becca provides a fresh perspective about where we get our thoughts about time in the first place and how we can change our relationship with time to spend it doing what’s most aligned with what we want for our life.

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Welcome to the Real People Real Business Show. My name is Stephanie Hayes, and I'm a business strategist who loves to speak with like-minded entrepreneurs to share their real stories and the gritty details on building their businesses. On this show, you won't hear about the glamorized entrepreneurship journeys that you can see online. You won't be told how to make six figures in six weeks. Instead, you can expect to hear real vulnerable and inspiring stories that you can relate to that have helped create the foundation for each of our guests businesses. Goodbye, boss Babes. Hello, real life entrepreneurs today. I'm so excited to welcome Becca Rich. Becca as an engineer that turned into a holistic time coach and educator. She works with women entrepreneurs who want, who are sick. When they think about time management, and yet they know that making the most of their time is the missing piece for the joyful, well-balanced and successful business in life that they want. She supports them in simplifying their schedules, healing never enough time, and discovering how to feel productive and at peace, focused and flexible on their terms. Welcome to the show, Becca. Thanks so much for taking the time to share your story today, and we're gonna have a lot to talk about . Hey Stephanie. I'm excited to be here. Thanks for having. Okay, so you are in Croatia right now, and you are a digital nomad. We need to get this out of the way first because it's just like I'm living vicariously through you and I'm so excited to hear about your travel and your journeys. But tell me more about how that came to be and then I wanna dive into the work. Yeah, this is, this is sort of part of the work as well. Um, so. You know, I grew up with an entrepreneur as a dad with immigrant, uh, entrepreneurial, you know, hustling grandparents, and they really instilled in me the message of, of one, obviously travel. Really important to see the world, see different cultures, and also, which is why I'm. The work that I do, the field that I do, um, of hustle of, you know, work is number one, go hard, do all the things. And that's led me to be an engineer. And I worked in the petroleum industry actually, um, for a few years. And basically the entire time I was in the cubicle life, I was saving up to become a digital nerd. Had my husband and I like immediately. Nope, this is, this is not the, the move. Um, and it came from, you know, essentially burning out while I was in school to become an engineer. Uh, I was like in the hospital trying to. You know, finish a deadline or something for a class that I was in at the time. And after that I was like, Nope, this, I'm just gonna do this just because, just cuz I think I should, my grandparents were in, you know, federal government. I'm gonna follow in their footsteps. I'm gonna be the good engineer. And a few years in, I left, I quit in July of 2020. Already planned before the pandemic. It wasn't a pandemic quit. Um, and my husband and I took it, took the leap, went for it, and became full-time travelers. We, he hates the term digital nomads too, so that's always funny. Just don't say time traveler, because that's a whole other thing. . What time is travel? Well, you know, we traveler. Yeah. We had this conversation before we started, uh, the interview and you know, I, I think what I might be is like a later in life additional nomad. My kids are teenagers now. Um, I wanted to give them roots and so we, we are where we are, but I think that, uh, you know, when they're old enough to sort of fly the coupe. Maybe my daughter and I'll go out traveling together. She's pretty stoked at the idea too, so we'll see. But, uh, I'll live vicariously through people like you until then. So this is super, this is a great theme because I think a lot of people that I know who are entrepreneurs came from that same kind of upbringing where it was like, work hard, work hard. I remember my dad saying to me, Oh, you're consulting into all of these government organizations. Wouldn't it be amazing if you could get a good government job? And I'm like, no, I'd slip my wrists. Like this would be the end of all things that I absolutely love and know. And so tell me more about that, sort of like that poll, because it must have been challenging to walk away from that, you know, long education and, and you know, opt for something far more. Yeah, I mean, I think one of my strengths, Stephanie , or like superpowers is taking risks, is taking action and, and going for things. And so I know that it's not as easy or as tangible for other folks, but. For me, you know, I moved away at 17, a thousand miles away from home, didn't know anybody. Like, I'm just that type of person. And so when I burned out and I, you know, started, I became a yoga teacher, a reiki healer. I started my first business at like, I don't know, 21 years old doing reiki healing private yoga, and then hosted my first yoga retreat at 23, I think. Um, Like that was, it's just been in my blood. Like I remember, um, driving around in the car with my dad from job site to job site, like thinking up all of the most wild entrepreneurial kind of like businesses that we could start or ideas. And so of course the like, it's just always been there for me. And the, the risk taking, I guess is also like in my blood . And so I, I kind of. Went for it. And of course, like my husband, um, I mean he was a server at the time and he received the covid unemployment. And so we saved up prior to quitting. Um, we lived off of savings for a year. We lived with, um, my uncle who had a spare apartment in, on an organic farm near Yellowstone over the summer. And so we. We went on an adventure and made it worked and like bootstrapped it for the first year as we grew our own businesses. And now my husband is, is a successful, um, food and travel writer and editor. And I am, you know, full-time in my business. It's swinging. I'm fully booked out and one-on-one clients right now. And, um, we. Put her nose down while also with balance and like made it happen. And, um, it was definitely hard, but yeah, to, to go back, circle back. Taking risks is like my middle name, I guess. Well, the intention I think is important, right? And I think until you really, like what's, it sounds like you just decided, right? You decided and that was gonna happen. And so then we get much more focused on making decisions that are gonna support that, that vision. Right? But I want, so tell me, tell me what you have built now. So you are a time coach. Yeah, and so like one of the biggest things I think that has made me. Successful in taking this leap and living this lifestyle was all of the healing and, um, transformation that I personally did around time. Right. And, and like product, like, you know, driving myself into the hospital cuz I was working so hard, um, feeling like I was unworthy of rest. Like I remember my skin feeling like I was crawling every time I tried to sit still. Um, and so my own healing. While I was, you know, doing reiki in, in yoga teaching, I just started noticing that everybody found it equally as challenging to sit still and take care of themselves and, you know, put themselves first on their to-do list and, um, make time for the things that really were important for them. And so I started transitioning around January of 2020, right before the pandemic towards. You know, what is now holistic time coaching and, and I also certify other coaches in it as well. And so over the last three years, it's really been about healing, continuing to heal myself from all of like the, the messages that we learn about time and have like ingrained, been ingrained in us around time. It continued to stay focused on the vision of how I wanna spend time, spend my life, um, and make decisions every single day to honor my true self and honor my vision, my values, and my vision. And that's what I ended up starting to help other people do . And now I get to do. Yeah, so this is an area that I'm particularly interested in because we've, you know, I do a lot of work with my clients on breaking down that, you know, that that mental garbage that we have inherited, I grew up in industry, right? So we would literally work mandated seven days a week, 14, 15, 16 hours a day. We just lived at the office. Honestly, we lived at the office and we would sleep under the desks and like it was seen as a badge of honor in those days. And I grew up in the tech industry and same kind of thing. All the startups, all the little software companies. And it, it became like your whole worth was tied to how hard you work. And then you start to kind of take, get a little older, you take a step back from that and you realize that that's a bunch of garbage. And I remember, you know, consulting into a bigger company once and someone said to me, , you know, we were, I was there at 10 o'clock at night. He's like, what are you doing here? And I said, oh, I know I have to get this done, blah, blah, blah. And he said, listen, we're not saving lives, right? Nobody's gonna die if you don't finish this tonight. I said, but I have a deadline. He says, the deadline can wait. Like it's, it's okay. I remember that just flipped something in my head and, and since then, It's been a sort of slow dissent into this very intentional, like very, um, spacious type of way of not managing my time, but managing my work. Yeah. So I would love, I would love to hear your perspective on digging into some of that. Yeah. So the first thing that comes to mind, I guess, to bring up. When we think of time management, like what do we think of, we think of like hacks and pop culture, sort of like the same 10 productivity advice. And, um, we think of tools and project management software and like all the, the, the tangible things and what we don't think about as how we think about time and how we feel about time and how we. The our perception and our privilege and our identity and like who we are as an individual, multifaceted human being, impacts how we think and feel and use our time. Um, and yeah, like we, I guess that's part of what I'm doing is, is trying to change. Perception, I guess, or like the story that we tell ourselves like, yes, time management is, is managing your time, but for me it's about time is our life. It's a, it's a resource and it's something that we're in relationship with and we're, we can collaborate with and we can use as an expansive tool. To express to ourselves and to the people around us, who we are as an individual. And so that is, that's the work that I do is, is helping people heal their relationship with time so then they can be the person that they wanna be and do the things that they wanna do. Well, it's crazy where we get to, right? Like I'm 47 and it is just this year that I am starting to put into a practice that my weekend, Just for me or my kids or whatever, but they're not for working. Yeah. And you know, you, I, I had gotten to the habit of like budgeting them in as another workday. Oh, okay. Well, I, I, you know, I've got too much on my plate, but I can just do it on Sunday. and there was a time that I actually opened up my, my calendar to clients on Sundays and I was never more miserable. And I think the thing that I hear some, like the terms productivity and time management actually like make me cringe because yeah, they're used in this context of there's, there's some magic bullet that's gonna. Weirdly invent time for me that's gonna make me be able to shovel. But all of these business owners are sitting there constantly saying, I just don't have enough time. And when I hear that, I now know that's your fault. Right? It's your, you can't invent time. So there's no concept of not having enough time. There's a concept of you making decisions that don't support you and making decisions to try and. More and more and more having these expectations that you should be able to do this crazy amount. So we take that all back and I say you got three things you're allowed to prioritize this week. Three. Yeah. And then we, we do micro planning, right? We do micro planning on a, on a daily basis. And what we're doing is we're taking all of the decision making out of their, of their lives. So tell me your approach. Tell me how you work with your clients. Tell me what you take them through on a. Yeah, I think, you know, the very first part is really getting someone to pause, and tune out all of the noise, and tune out all the things that they need to be doing or that they, you know, should be doing, uh, and really come back to their truth. Come back to who they are, what makes them tick, their strengths, their core values, their. Even like shadow parts of somebody, like what are the things that you know about yourself, how you work, how you learn, how you take action, and how can we foster those things with a little bit more love and compassion? So it's really just looking at a whole human being. And from there then we're able to tap into. , what they want to do with their time, what would make them feel fulfilled, what would make them, um, go to sleep at the end of the day and put their head at on the pillow and be like, damn, that was a really freaking amazing day the majority of the time. Right? So it's about playing in the possibilities of what you would even do with time, and that's something that is often missed. In the conversation around productivity and time management, the both of those things, we just go straight to strategy and we go straight to hacks and tips and ideas on how to tame the chaos and overwhelm and like, Cut all, when we cut all of other stuff out. Like you don't even really have to tame a lot of stuff, right? We just have to make sure that it doesn't come back in , we have gotta keep the, the glass, you know, box of boundaries up to not let all of the extra noise come back in. And so the third part of, of all of all of this is coming up with the unique skills. And when I say skills, I mean mindsets and strategies. To help you uniquely spend your time in alignment with the vision, the, the possibilities, like what you really wanna do with your time. And then of course, the biggest piece of our, so like those are like the foundations. And then from there it's about practicing it, embodying it, integrating it, and actually. Making the changes, practicing making those decisions, experiencing all the feelings and thoughts and stuff that comes up. Cuz every, everyone has stuff that comes up, um, around setting boundaries and making decisions and staying true to yourself and from there, yeah, we just continue to support and, and hold someone accountable with love and support and handholding instead of shame. Yes. I mean, we're so good, especially as women. We're so good at shaming ourselves. I mean, we live in, in this culture where if we don't, we're actually perceived as not a nice person, right? Like it's all, it's so messed up, . So who are you working with? Who are your kind of ideal clients? Who are the, the people who are finding you and want this work? Yeah. You know, uh, I think the three main things that people really resonate with is like over-committing, over-planning and keeping busy. Those are the three most common things. And because I'm in like the online entrepreneur space, I work with a lot of entre online entrepreneurs, and I. I sort of do that de by default, I definitely work with people who have nine to five jobs or who like do both kind of like side work, kind of like entrepreneur stuff. Um, but as long as someone wants to feel more in control or have more agency power over their time. And they experience a lot of like that over-committing, over-planning, keeping busy. Those are my people. , recovering overachievers here, over here, . Yeah. No, there aren't very many of those. I haven't, I haven't experienced There's like two, there's like two in the world. Yeah. Small market. So, so how, how are you finding these guys and, and you know, what's your, what's your best marketing strategy? Yeah, I mean, of course, like a lot of, in the beginning of of my business, a lot of my clients were from people who knew me, who were in group programs with me, who felt my energy, who, um, you know, of course had some foundation of trust. And then from there, now the majority of my clients either come from seo. Obviously, that's a really aligned marketing strategy for me personally because, Keeps building and building, um, you know, organically, and then Instagram as well. I think a decent bit of clients come from Instagram now. And are you, what are you doing to sort of build that client base? Like I love that you're, you're relying on SEO for sure. Um, and then in terms of referrals, in terms of like who are, who's that network that's feeding work into. Yeah, that's something that is definitely one of the biggest things that I'm gonna work on in 2023, is I'm like, literally the thing that I'm working on this week is my referral. Um, you know, Program, or whatever you wanna call it, like a, a referral community. I definitely have some business coaches and some people that are sending people to me and they, you know, hire me of course if they feel connected and, and resonant with it. But, um, yeah, I'd say the majority of this year was all from SEO or Instagram. Nice. And you grew up with an, with an entrepreneur dad, and, uh, likely got a lot of advice around being an entrepreneur. What's the, you know, what's the, the number one thing you've learned just based on your own experience and, you know, you've, you've obviously been traveling quite a bit and seeing how it feels to be in, you know, have that agency over your own time. So if you were. The one giving the advice, what's the, what's the number one thing you've learned? Yeah. You know, in the first year of, of venturing into the online business space, of course I, you know, bought all the online courses, downloaded all the freebies. I feel like everybody sort of goes through that little phase. Um, and then they realize like, oh, I actually need someone that can like meet me where I'm at, you help me and stuff. And so, um, What I learned from my father and, and my grandfather as well is, is like lean as possible. Like the, like, I guess less is more is, is another way of saying it. And I, I firmly don't believe that time is money. I think time is our life and our life is not exchangeable with money . Um, but they're connected because of how our society is set up and it's on purpose. And so, You know, when we feel stretched thin on time, it's often because people spend a ton of money on courses and things and coaches and consultants, and 100%, obviously I believe in them because I am a coach. But, um, being able to do so after paying you was the biggest thing that changed in my business. And so I. My second year in business, I was like, all right, I'm paying myself 65% of every single dollar that I make in my business. And then that is how much money I have to spend on courses, coaches, whatever else that I want in my business. Um, all, all the operating expenses. And I think that was a lesson that I learned from my dad and that has helped me so much with my time because I am. Filling my schedule up with courses and food programs and masterminds and all the things anymore, and I actually have money so I don't have to feel like I need to work all of the time So it's sort of like a huge interconnectedness of, of. Leanness or sustainability, it's spoken like a true engineer, right? We're going back to lean tech, , lean, lean concepts. Um, but, so I wanna dig a little bit into this because I really like this. And when people think about time, they think about, oh, I need like tools, or I need some, you know, four hour work week framework or something like that. But what I'm hearing you say, and what I really love is that actually all these other things affect. How much time you have and effect your agency over your time, and so do you ever go into those things, budgeting or managing, managing your money or what you're charging or any of that? Because you're absolutely correct that this stuff all is interconnected. Yeah, so I actually just came out like last week or two weeks ago with my first digital product, uh, that kind of talks about money a little bit. And so it's called Calculated and it's just a one page spreadsheet where you put in, um, how much money you wanna take home. Per month. And then it has like percentages based on, you know, all the different re like what each percent should go to. And then you put in how much time you wanna spend working a week. And then it'll, it, it will pop out how much you should charge for your services. And so that is like the first thing that I've. Put out into the world that has connected money. But essentially like that at the end of the day, that's the most foundational thing that we can do for our time is how much money do we need to survive or thrive or whatever you wanna say, how much you wanna work, and then you just extrapolate everything from that place. Um, and yeah, it was what's what I've been doing for the last two years and it works really freaking well. I love that and I, I would love to link to that in the show notes. So if you could make sure you send me that link. We'll, we'll get it in there. And, and so tell me a little bit about your offers, like how you're actually working with people. Is this long-term, short-term? What do you like? Yeah, so I love, love, love one-on-one coaching. Like, it's so funny when I talk to people who are more like business oriented, they're like, oh, you gotta do go group programs and memberships and like all this stuff. And for me, like where I'm at, I'm like, nah, I don't wanna be on all the time. Like absolutely not. Um, so what I have, I, I do three different main offerings aside from like small digital products when I feel like it. Um, so I have one a v i p day, and in this v i p day I help people, someone, um, Design an entire holistic digital calendar system that includes them first and their responsibilities. And, um, we talk about all the things that go into building a schedule and digital calendar system that just. Takes care of everything, like all of it. Um, the second service that I offer is one-on-one coaching, and I offer them in six or 12 packages. Um, and a lot of my clients will renew or they'll move into like a maintenance sort of quarterly thing. So I've been working with clients for up to two years, two and a half years, um, in more of a maintenance mode. Once we get over like the initial. Calming of the nervous system and like sorting things out and organizing and all. Um, and then the third one, like I mentioned a little bit earlier, I have a certification program. So I'm now running once a year a continue education. It'll be I c F certified, um, as a CE program to certify coaches in holistic time management to then help their clients with time. Oh, that's so smart. I mean, the leverage is really, Um, in that, that, uh, you know, stepping up at another level and what can you teach people who teach? Right? And, and I think that's super smart. What does it take to get the I C F certification? So ideally it's someone that's already a coach, um, Either through the I C F or not. And so that's like a whole other thing. Yeah. Um, but you know, for me, are you asking for me or for like a student for your program to be able to offer that? Yeah. So you just go to the I C F and, and apply. So you would submit like your, your, you know, resources and training schedule and what resources you, you know, give, and then they'll give you, I C F, like CE program stamp. Yeah, that's smart. Very smart. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. And when are you going to start offering that? So I offered it as like a first beta round back in August or September. Can't remember when we started. I think it was August and it was eight weeks. So August, September, no, October. And then I think six people were in that, and I was gonna launch it again in January and then I realized I was being overly ambitious and I want more space and whatever. Um, especially I'm taking the whole month of March completely off to go travel Asia, so I'm relaunching it again in probably late July, August. Nice. That's awesome. Yeah. And so what's, you know, what does the future look like for you? What are you, you know, give me, give me sort of like the two years out , you're, you're so funny. I don't have a vision. Um, I have like a gentle vision, but I don't have, like, I don't really do that anymore. But I would say for me, just like consistent stability and serving. I love, love, love all three offers that I have. Like I said, I kind of like have a couple of digital products that I'll throw around the internet sometimes when I feel like it, but that's not, not my goal. Like I want to, honestly, I want to work with people and creating like a deep, deep transformative healing around their time. That just looks like holding space for folks. That looks like seeing people welcoming them as they are and letting them discover how amazing they are as well, and spend their time in alignment with their hearts and their minds and their bodies and, um, what they truly want. And I'm, I'm already doing that, so as long as I can continue doing that, I'm gonna keep doing that until it doesn't serve me anymore. But I think it's an important response, right? Because I don't think you need to have some big, grandiose vision for the future. And, and not a, not a lot of people, in fact, I would say more people don't want that. They wanna do what feels really good. They wanna do good work, they want to maintain a lifestyle and they wanna, you know, be well compensated for doing it. But I think your answer is important. Because I think a lot of people feel that pressure to, to try and just because I'm in business, I need to grow it to be huge. Well, more and more people don't want that. Yeah. Yeah. We don't need it. It's all part of the, the game, the scam that we've all bought into, right? That's right. Is more and more, more and more and more. And some people do, right? Some people are really wired that way. They're like, I'm gonna build a corporate, I'm gonna build a, a big, like that's what I wanna do. And that's also completely fine. Yeah. But I think giving people permission to be like, man, I'm gonna get a micro business and, and like this is really satisfying for me. And the fact that I can walk out my door and just like leave it there is huge. Yeah. And so this is an important. Yeah, and I will add to that, like I, the last two summers, well, not this past summer, but the, the previous two summers I was on my uncle's organic veggie farm and I didn't realize how, and it was in. A small city with one stoplight that was new. And going from New Orleans, living downtown New Orleans to this of, of course was a 180. Um, and from there, that's when I felt my nervous system. I felt like okay, with being alone, I felt okay, like being held by nature and hiking like multiple times a week and. that that was, is gonna be sort of like the, the dream life, right? Like, who else wants to live on a little organic veggie farm with solar panels in your own well and like, be completely off the grid and hike every weekend? Like that is the freaking life. And then if I could like work, I work with clients three days a week. So if I could continue to work with clients two, three days a week and be a veggie farmer, like life, life goals. Yeah, I live in a small town that's all like outdoor recreation, right. So for us to like, it's almost like if you don't go on hikes three days a week, like you're, you don't really belong here, So, yeah, there's actually a flip side to that, but like, So going back to this sort of inter interplay and this interconnectedness of all the things and all the decisions that we make in our business and how that does affect, affect our time. Yeah. You know, being in a, in a situation where you are really thriving. and where you have the opportunity to be surrounded by things that are, are interesting outside of just the work that you do, like, how important is that? Because you're location independent, you've been, you know, I don't know how long you've been traveling for, but you've had the opportunity to see, you know, a lot of Yeah. Other perspectives. And so how has that affected your outlook and your perspective on time? Yeah, so much so I, I use a lot of like my travel. As, um, sort of like inspiration or like stories about time, like, you know, I'm in Croatia and I think that a lot of Europeans similar. Um, they go to the coffee shop and, and drink a little cup of espresso over the course of an hour and a half, two hours without their phone, without their books. Like they just sit and watch people and could you imagine. That like every day, spending two hours drinking one little cup of espresso, not being rushed by your server with the bill, like it's even hard sometimes to get the server to come over and get you, give you their money. Um, and so I think that was a huge lesson of around time of like, it's not all like the us it's not all. Hustle bustle any everywhere. Like I think that, you know, growing up in the US like this is, this is the norm, this is how life is. And then you get out of the norm and you're like, oh, sh like that's, this is not the norm. Um, everywhere. And that was really enlightening. Another piece of, of like, I guess history, of course history impacts time. Um, a lot of cities in. Have sort of like a central place right in the, in the middle of the city where the church is and the huge clock and all of this stuff and everything is kind of like centered around this square or this um, uh, city center. And that was interesting to me around time as well. Like that is what guided. The motions of the city back in the day before, we all had our own clocks in our hands, in our pockets. And so that, that changed my perspective around time as well. Like, you know, we didn't all used to live looking at a clock all day every day. And I think that there's probably a little bit of freedom. Potentially, like all you had to remember is go to church once a week or one, you know, whatever the thing was. Um, when the clock was, you just went to the church to see what time it was. So that was an interesting thing. And then the last thing that I'll mention, you know, going from place to place, every single place that I've been in, and I recently had this realization I went to, um, where did we go most? My a Bosnia and there's going, we went there for the weekend a few weeks ago, and on the bus I was like, oh my gosh. Every place that I go to, there's buses, there's dogs, there's trees, there's bushes, there's cars, there's roads. Like it's all, it's everywhere around the world. And the one thing that stays constant is me. And so I was like, oh, the world is inside of me. And that was like sort of a, a revelation, like no matter where I go, My heart, my breath, like I am here. And that's, that's the home. That's my home. And that was something that I, I had been searching for in productivity and success in external things outside of me. And I think that it finally clicked somewhere deeper in my body a few weekends ago. Oh wow. We just went on to a whole other level. I love this. We just went deep. Yeah, I lo and it's, it's so funny. I was just watching a documentary last night, um, called, um, Third eye spies and it's about this, um, it was about this division of the c i a that from like for 20 years and like from like the seventies to the nineties was actually developing, um, and using people with psychic abilities to. Um, do what they call remote viewing. Anyway, all this to say like one half of the movie was all about this, this like total shift in our consciousness and how we understand and perceive ourselves in the context of all of the rest of the world. And when you start to realize that you're not there to perform for other people, you're. Form for yourself, and you are the center, like the locus of your, of your being, and you're the center, then it starts to like really change how you experience things. And I, so we could totally go into this, but Yeah. . But, but I'm gonna, uh, I'm, I'm not gonna go down that rabbit hole, but I, I think it's actually critically important to the way that we perceive time. So this whole shift in the work that you're doing, I think is, is extremely interesting. And I, I love that it's not about tools and it's not about, you know, calendars and it's not about, you know, sh shoving more into the already limited time that we have. It's about valuing and, and seeing time differently. So I think this is really, really important work. So there's one question I ask everybody just before we finish. This whole show is about being real and about, um, you know, breaking down some of the, the perceptions that, um, we have kind of grown up with. What's the difference between what we hear out there in the business world and what's real? Hmm. I think for me, bringing it back to my work, like I. But I bought into the whole, like, I could get this up and running in, in six months. And that I think is one of the things that I probably regret most is like that first year in business when I, the whole time I was like, this should be exploded by now. Like, this should be way further ahead. I should be getting dms and emails from people that wanna work with me, breaking down the door. By just telling, like by posting one, saying, Hey, I'm a, I'm a time coach. Like, work with me. Right? Um, and going back to I guess my work, like, we put timelines and expectation and deadlines and pressure on ourselves that we create. And a lot of the times we create, I, I won't say every single thing we create because I think that's bs, but um, A lot of the times we create them or we bought into them via someone else. And it comes back to divine timing. It comes back to being intentional and claiming the amount of agency you do have over your time in making the most of that time in an aligned way. And from there, like, you know, I, I don't know if I would've like heard this senti. Years ago and then like f that. But like, it really does fall into place when you stay true to yourself. And that is what happened to me. And I see it happen all of the time with the people that I work with. And the more and more that we shed these expectations and um, deadlines and stories about where we should be and how far along we need to be and how behind we are or whatever, um, the sooner we can get. I agree, and the first work that I do with my clients is like really figuring out who they are, because oftentimes they don't know, right? They, they've defined themselves in the context of all the things that they see out there in the world, and they haven't taken the time to come back to really like, examine themselves. And that's a, an incredible first step before we can do any of this other. Okay, so we're coming up on time. I wanna thank you so much for being here. Can you tell our listeners how they can find you? Yeah. Go over to our B F F Google type in Becca Rich, or the holistic time coach, and you can find me on Instagram or my website, and I have all the things that you can message me or contact me if you would. Awesome, and we'll put all of those links in the show notes, and I'd love to put a link into the tool that you've created around money as well, because I think that's a really important component. Yeah. Okay, and that's a wrap. I'm so happy we had the opportunity to chat with Becca today to hear more about how her business came to be, her experiences along the way, and what the future of the business. Thank you for tuning into this episode of The Real People Real Business Show, where we get the real entrepreneurial stories and journeys that you can relate to the show notes, resources, and links from this episode are available on my website and social media platforms. And thank you for joining us today. If you've enjoyed today's content, I would love for you to give us a review on whatever platform you're on to help us share these genuine stories with an even bigger audience. Until next time, keep building. Keep dreaming and keep being real.